If you only want to own a single flash, that's the one. I think there is also a difference between having one solution or actually two and requiring every new flash to be completely backward and forward compatible.
If you need an i-TTL flash that is completely backward compatible, there is the SB as several of us have pointed out here. It was very popular; I happen to have two of them, and it is not that hard to find in the used market. Requiring every new flash to be totally backward compatible is a much tougher requirement. So I think people are making way too big a deal out of this. ShunCheung , Apr 9, The new flashes don't just leave the film cameras out in the cold, but older dSLRs as well.
The D1x, only discontinued about 6 years ago, does not support iTTL. Richard Williams , Apr 9, And anyone happy with using a flash in the retro s 'A' mode might as well save some cash and pick up a HV or something. Raymond - a used SB is an excellent TTL flash including balanced daylight fill flash for use with the F, N80, and similar-vintage cameras. Also excellent is the tiny SB, perfect for light-weight fill flash with the F I have the F, N80, and N75, and use both flashes with all 3 cameras.
It was intermittent on a D It works very well in TTL mode with my film Nikons. Thanks Richard, Seems that where Nikon leaves off, becomes business opportunity for 3rd party flash makers.
I would trust more Metz, than the other unknown or re-branded flashes. The old non-dedicated Metz flash I have seems well built and has given me no trouble, and the new high-end models have advanced features like upgradeable firmware.
They seem to be doing a pretty good job of keeping up with the various proprietary technologies old and new , even though they have to support several camera companies in parallel. Rishi, I think Richard hit the nail on the head. I can go out today and buy one of almost two dozen NEW Nikon lenses that fit on my F2 and meter properly.
I can also put my F2 lenses on my D and with a little playing in the menu , they will also meter properly using the metering modes that existed when the lens was built. More importantly, around half of the new lenses are actually really good on an F2.
I can't tell you how many photos I've taken with the 85 1. To the best of my knowledge, Nikon is the only OEM company that produces lenses like this. Except for Leica which, as Shun pointed out, only have excellent backwards compatibility because they didn't include AF, VR, etc.
Oh ok, I see. Yeah I only have the newer AF lenses. ShunCheung , Apr 10, Thanks everyone. I thought the thread has ended after the first few posts, which I replied. Then I checked again to see more discussions and information. Thanks to John who suggested SB I have not thought of that. I thought the flash for F was the SB Thanks Shun who said that SB can work in A mode. Anyway, I panicked and went and grabbed an SB yesterday morning. Price increase has not moved very fast here. I have tried it on my D and love it.
Now I will try it on my F and I am sure it will be lots of fun. Raymond W , Apr 10, So any fuss i can avoid with accesoiries i would gladly welcome ie, i'm getting annoyed by filters batteries, remote triggers etc The remote commander is something i'm not really that interested in.
I hjave commander mode on my d90 and i don't have 2 flashes let alone 3 flashes. In my mind, i can buy a sb or su when i do have the need for those capabilities. There is approximately half a stop difference in light output. This also means the SB does not heatup so rapidly and recharges more quickly. I just purchased yesterday the SB to pair with a SB which many are saying is a good combination. Not having even put batteries in yet, I cannot say anything yet however the size is much smaller and controls simpler.
Another difference is that the SB has an acceptable size, while the SB is huge. That's true for the flash, and even more so for the soft case. Since you say you're traveling a lot, this is also a factor. The SB is an excellent flash. The weak spot is really the lower GN.
But for daylight fill, you can't dial up the ISO on your camera really, works more for darker scenes. HSS is your option then. There SB comes with GN From these stated requirements, you have a trade-off to make. The SB is more practical for traveling given its weight and size.
However, for fill-in in very sunny conditions, the extra power of the SB will be important, especially the farther your subject is. Pick wisely. But i'm more worried about the fp mode. As that will be the main thing you would have to use in sunny environments. Here's your compromise: the SB! It has the size of the SB, but more than the power of the SB So it's either going to be a sb or sb So even when compared at the same times it still depends on the camera body.
What kind of subjects are you going to shoot? Will you use ISO ? In that case, the effective FP GN is 1. There's no world between and Last shot that would have used better lighting was a tempel which was a but dark under the roof shot from outside.
I reckon i would have shot that with the flash point upwards inside the temple. I've got the , and I'd say go for the The is a big old beast and little extra benefit.
I only use it now when using multiple flashes in a dedicated set-up. For travelling the is better. It depends on how you're using it. I like to use multiple speedlights, so rarely am I wanting for more power. If you only have one, you will probably be asking that one light to do a lot. If I only had one light, I'd want it to be more powerful.
It's going to be better than the pop up flash, and i'll get a other one if i need more power. The SB, being taller, might clear the large lens and hood whereas the shorter SB might not and being shorter, it may vignette the scene.
I am afraid that the harsh light on the will blind the band onstage. The combinations of ambient and flash light will give you the best image — your challenge is to ballance exposure and color right.
Thank you Henry for responding to my post! I just got the SSb yesterday and I am a newbie with it. How would I get ambient light on it, like what would be the setting? As for the rest, just go try it.
It really depends on the type of shooting you do. Cool, thx. Thx again! I think you have one correction though. Your spec comparison table is correct though. At least this review helps.
Good call, thanks for the edit. It all depends on how you plan to use your speedlights, though. Glad to hear that this review helped a little. Would you say going with that over a new is the better way to go? I use the speedlights on the camera, will almost never use them off the camera.
Just wanted to add to the list of comments for this very well written and most importantly thorough review of the SB especially, noting that the SB as commander does not let you use different modes while controlling remotes. Many other reviewers would not think to test that. Have just bought a SB and the thermostat shut down at a critical moment. Otherwise happy. Need a number 2 flash while my second SB goes for repair.
So thinking of a SB, on the basis of your review. I just bought a to augment my , which is insufficient for meetings etc. Any suggestions from you more experienced folks? Almost everything else is better than the on camera. Unlike many others, it leaves no question unanswered and is greatly appreciated. A great piece of equipment which I now own.
Thanks, Todd. Very glad you found this review of the SB informative! I love my SB, but there is one thing that I have found lacking. Our cameras have them, and I would think that would be a popular addition to flashes. Anyone else have a problem with this? It would be great to see an example of something shot with each different flash attachment. Maybe for a future write-up. Hi I jus purchased the sb for my nikon d90 and am having difficulties with making the flash fire each shot. It was portrait photography ….
The d90 is my first dslr camera and my first time using an external flash as well. Any help would be appreciated :. The test on the number of flashes before it heats up definitely got me into the sb :.
Hey Phillip, thanks for the comment. In a lot of ways, the SB is a better flash than the , it just depends on the particulars. For many users, though, the performance of the Nikon SB will be perfect. Thanks for the thorough and complete review. I ordered a SB from Amazon today based on this review. But how the SB handles temperature really made up my mind.
I think the SB will be a good fit for you. Unless you really need the more in-depth CLS modes of the SB or absolutely all the extra power, the SB is overall a better choice to me. Hope this helps. Would you please tell me which one should I buy?
Should I go for a used how about the reliability? SB or should I go for SB ? I appreciate your suggestions. BTW — thanks for your elaborate and informative article. Thanks for a thorough review, however one point and a question if I may. Firstly in terms of overheating — surely as the is more powerful compared to the that is not a fair comparison? Secondly I have a already on my d and want to buy more flashes for off camera work. Would you recommend I buy another now and save for a third flash, or buy two s now?
I love shooting events — parties, weddings etc. Im not a pro but hope to be once im good enough which will be a while! I am a newbie so please bear with my question. I love continuous shooting mode — is there a way I can get below a 3 second recycle time? Hi Chetan, thanks for the comment. Yes, the SB would be a good compliment to the D Amazing review. I wish all, or even most, reviews were this complete.
You helped me decide to get the SB Hey Todd, great comparison though I have a question that seemed to be overlooked. In other words besides calculating the distance needed for a good exposure they omitted the f-stop recommendation on the SB?
I hope this makes sense but if you could clarify what I am trying to say! Thanks alot, your review was very helpful and clear,. Thanks Todd, wow that was quick, I will definitely be bookmarking this site, extremely professional.
The SB does not have a built in bounce card and I mention this because it is the only reason I replaced my SB with the SB as my backup flash. If only I would of tried them before spending more money on more junk! Thanks for taking the time to put together a very informative comparison!
Thanks for the wonderful and comprehensive review! Considered the SB, but budget requirements won out. The SB makes a good lower cost option and I was glad it was still around. If you want to go even cheaper, check out the Yongnuo or triggers, too. So of course I read a lot about the Nikon system accessories. Now, thanks to your review, I know better and will order an SB , it fits my needs, for less money.
Any recommendation on type of battery to buy for SB? I have a Nikon D40X and mm zoom lens. For indoor photography how far can I be from the subject if I use SB?
Is it possible to stand 70 feet away from the subject, zoom to mm and still get a great picture perfect exposure? Thanks for your input. But I have to say what a fantastic and thorough comparison review. I purchased mine from John Lewis best price on the net. Thanks vince turner. Music Photography See All.
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